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jack daniel
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Post08-12-2009, 10:56    Subject: CAN data protocol Quote

Hello,

I'm currently trying to connect a display to the engine control unit (ECU) via the CAN bus to display things like engine speed, engine temperature, etc. The engine is a Suzuki GSX-R 600 K6, and the ECU is a Magneti Marelli SRT EDL 16.
'The problem is that while there are dashboards that can be fed with data via a CAN bus, I don't have the data protocol used by that bus for the engine control unit. As a result, the display can't understand any of the data coming from the engine control unit.'

Are there ways to create this data protocol myself? If so, how? What hardware and software would I need for that?
or does anyone happen to have the appropriate data protocol? icon_biggrin.gif


Thank you very much.
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Post08-12-2009, 11:16    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

log yourself with :-(

How familiar are you with all of that history?
- CAN bus
- Electronics
- Controller programming
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jack daniel
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Post08-12-2009, 19:18    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

I've already seen a CAN signal on an oscilloscope icon_mrgreen.gif.

No, well, you can research it, sign up, and then see for yourself what's what, which is what I was already thinking... I just thought maybe someone could give me a little nudge in the right direction.
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Post08-12-2009, 20:43    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

log yourself :-(

How familiar are you with all of that history?
- CAN bus
- Electronics
- Controller programming

;-) I'm curious to see when you'll finally abandon that 'I believe in the good in people' attitude.
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Post09-12-2009, 17:14    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

@joeausro
Yes, it's really starting to get out of hand. Where do they all come from?

@jack daniel
Möööööööööppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incorrect answer. Or, incorrect order.
First, learn how CAN works.

At least, some basic principles. And then, continue.

Okay, I'd also like to hear more about exactly how you plan to do that. How does the data get fed into your 'dashboard'?

I'd be happy to help, especially since I'm also interested in the motorcycle protocol myself, but I can't and won't give you all the answers.

P.S.: This won't work through the forum anyway.
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Post09-12-2009, 21:01    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

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'That's the engine control unit (ECU) that's mounted there... And I had envisioned that the ECU would put data like the current engine speed, coolant temperature, and so on, onto the CAN bus, and that the display would then receive this data via the CAN bus and make it visible.'

'My problem is that there are different ways in which such a data packet can be structured, or how the information within it is formatted.'
'As depicted, I contacted several suppliers of such displays, and they informed me that these displays cannot directly interpret Magneti Marelli data. Therefore, a suitable data protocol needs to be created and then flashed onto the display. One of the suppliers I spoke with (unfortunately, it was a few days ago, and I don't remember the exact company) mentioned that they had done this before, but they wouldn't do it for a single display because the effort involved is too high, especially considering they're just selling a display. I had almost purchased a Magneti Marelli display, but...' 'I'm not going to use a mini-LED display, so I'm trying to get a different display working somehow...'

Okay, I've also read somewhere about how a data packet is structured (although I'm not sure if the structure of a data packet is always the same?). I'll have to look into that again. Are there any resources online that one should read before attempting anything in that area?
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Post10-12-2009, 20:37    Subject: Re: CAN data protocol Quote

Get the MM display and customize it to your liking. Everything else is too complicated, and no one here (I think!) will capture, analyze, and interpret the relevant data for you, and then build a prototype.
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